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The political status of "Jonima family" during the event of Battle of Kosovo, 1389

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Hi @Botushali. Do you have source for this statement?: At this point in time, the Jonima were an independent principality. extracted from your revert. Azor (talk). 17:51, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Azor. The Jonima family were a feudal family that shifted vassalage to different states depending on the political circumstances of the time, and at times functioned as independent feudal states. At the time of the Battle of Kosovo, Dhimitër Jonima is referred to as a count/prince/feudal lord but not as a vassal to any certain state by the sources we are currently using.[1][2][3] Dhimitër was lord of a territory between Mat and Lezhë.[4] The last time the Jonima family were mentioned as vassals of any state seems to be many decades prior, when Vladislav Jonima is mentioned in 1306 with the title of župan while in service of Stephen Uroš II Milutin of Serbia.[5] By 1319, however, Vladislav was acknowledged by the Pope as a ruler of a territory around Lezhë with the title of Count of Dioclea and of the seaside Albania.[6]
After the Battle of Kosovo, Dhimitër Jonima suffered another defeat at the hands of the Ottomans around 1393 before becoming their vassal at some point during this time[7] and would swap to accepting Venetian suzerainty as the vassal of other Albanian lords.[8][9][10][11] I suppose that none of that is important, however, as we are talking about the Jonima at the time of the Battle of Kosova. By all means, Jonima is referred to by sources as a feudal lord/prince/count of his own feudal state at that point in time, not in vassalage to the Serbs or anyone else. Although, even as vassals, the Jonima family served as a vassal state according to the sources used above. Thanks. Botushali (talk) 02:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Veremes, Thanos; Kophos, Euangelos (1998). Kosovo: avoiding another Balkan war. Athens: Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign policy. p. 418. ISBN 9789607061409. ... is a historical fact that they were on the Serbian side against the Ottoman Empire in that cataclysmic battle of 1389 ( under Albanian counts Balsha and Jonima)
  2. ^ Iseni, Bashkim (2008). La question nationale en Europe du sud-est: genèse, émergence et développement de l'identité nationale albanaise au Kosovo et en Macédoine. Bern: Peter Lang. p. 84. ISBN 978-3039113200. L'historiographie albanaise quant à elle met davantage l'accent sur la présence albanaise dans ce qui était une grande coalition de principautés chrétienne contre les Ottomans. Selon elle, sur les sept chefs de guerre de cette coalition, deux étaient albanais, Gjergj Balsha II et Dhimiter Jonima. Auraient aussi participé à cette bataille d'autres féodaux albanais, notamment Gjon Muzaka et Teodor Muzaka II. La participation albanaise aurait atteint un quart de la totalité des troupes de la coalition.
  3. ^ Petritsch, Wolfgang; Kaser, Karl; Pichler, Robert (1999). Kosovo - Kosova: Mythen, Daten, Fakten (2. Aufl ed.). Klagenfurt: Wieser. pp. 32–33. ISBN 9783851293043. ... geantwortet haben und sich mit einer Armee von 6.000 Mann nach Kosova aufgemacht haben soll. An der Schlacht auf dem Amselfeld nahmen auch andere mäch- tige albanische Fürsten teil : Demeter Jonima , dessen Reich sich über die..
  4. ^ Anamali, Skënder; Prifti (2002) (in Albanian). Historia e popullit shqiptar në katër vëllime. Botimet Toena. ISBN 99927-1-622-3 p. 267
  5. ^ Blagojević, Miloš (2001). Državna uprava u srpskim srednjovekovnim zemljama (in Serbian). Belgrade: Službeni list SRJ. p. 210. Retrieved 8 July 2012. Када је краљ Милутин издао повељу манастиру Богородице Ратачке, међу присутнима је било и црквених и световних достојанственика. Од световних лица помињу се: казнац Мирослав, челник Бранко и жупан Владислав (Јонима)
  6. ^ Schmitt, Oliver Jens (2001), Das venezianische Albanien (1392-1479), München: R. Oldenbourg Verlag GmbH München, p. 87, ISBN 3-486-56569--9, Vladislav Jonima, als Zupan, später als „Graf von Dioclea und Küstenalbanien"
  7. ^ The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest Author John Van Antwerp Fine Edition reprint, illustrated Publisher University of Michigan Press, 1994 ISBN 0-472-08260-4, ISBN 978-0-472-08260-5 p. 419
  8. ^ Elsie, Robert (2012), A biographical dictionary of Albanian history, London: I.B. Tauris, p. 493, ISBN 9781780764313, OCLC 801605743
  9. ^ The Late Medieval Balkans: A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest Author John Van Antwerp Fine Edition reprint, illustrated Publisher University of Michigan Press, 1994 ISBN 0-472-08260-4, ISBN 978-0-472-08260-5 p. 510
  10. ^ Rojas Molina, Grabiela (2022). Decoding debate in the Venetian Senate: short stories of crisis and response on Albania (1392-1402). Leiden Boston: Brill. p. 193. ISBN 9789004520936.
  11. ^ Anamali, Skënder (2002). Historia e popullit Shqiptar: gjatë shek. XVI -vitet 20 të shek. XIX. Tiranë: Botimet Toena. p. 312. ISBN 9992716223.