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wonderfull SPON.de article (in German)
[edit]Nice article about a very, very loyal long-term fan in (former Eastern) Germany: https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/bob-dylan-in-oel-wie-das-gemaelde-aufs-konzert-in-ost-berlin-kam-a-52cdc5fa-eef8-4e9f-bced-379d61a1075a
Latest set of changes (by User:Nikkimaria)
[edit]That's a lot of small revisions. Looking at it quickly, I see some I don't like, some I do, and some in the middle. What do people think? Just for instance, I don't think taking out the description of the Nobel Prize is warranted - the Nobel Prize was a big deal.Brianyoumans (talk) 02:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's elaborated in the text - the lead is still quite long. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see that now. Makes sense. Brianyoumans (talk) 17:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- I thought it was a v useful copy edit, pruning & tightening. A few phrases have gone which I regret but I welcome constructive attempt to keep this long WP article in good shape. Mick gold (talk) 22:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see that now. Makes sense. Brianyoumans (talk) 17:20, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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On June 21, 2024, Dylan initiated the Outlaw Music Festival Tour, sharing the bill with Willie Nelson and other musicians.[406] ADD: Dylan's setlist during this tour is a departure from the Rough and Rowdy Ways Tour, including songs from throughout his career as well as several covers. [1] Notrobbieclark (talk) 20:52, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for suggestion. This has been added. Mick gold (talk) 06:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Going electric
[edit]This page says Dylan only played three songs at Newport in 1965, but the main page about the controversy says he played five there the following night. Seananony (talk) 01:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- At Newport 1965, Dylan and his band, including Bloomfield and Kooper, played a short electric set of three songs (Maggie's Farm, LARS, Takes A Lot To Laugh) and then left the stage to a mix of cheering and booing. After a pause, Dylan was persuaded to return to the stage where he played 2 songs solo on acoustic guitar: Mr Tambourine Man and It's All Over Now Baby Blue. see [1] Mick gold (talk) 21:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Retire! Such a waste of time at Pine knob. No singing 2600:1007:B0AB:DD68:1CEB:36E8:8D2B:5D0B (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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Under "Honors" for Bob Dylan, please list that Bob Dylan is a 32° Scottish Rite Freemason, in the Valley of Los Angeles. His home Lodge is Santa Monica-Palisades Lodge, No. 307. MaynardEdwards (talk) 14:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 17:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Dishonesty -- Dylan can't live outside the law
[edit]In the book, The Double Life of Bob Dylan: A Restless Hungry Feeling, 1941-1966, author Clinton Heylin notes that the first time Dylan’s name appeared in print relative to his music career was in the August 6, 1961 New York Mirror where Pete Karman reported as follows, “Bob Dylan of Gallup, New Mexico played the guitar and harmonica…”
In those early days, somewhat George Santos-style, Dylan, apparently seeking to burnish his folksinger resume, claimed to have ridden the rails hobo style, worked in a carnival, and so forth.
But he was outed in the November 4, 1963, issue of Newsweek which set the record straight regarding his Hibbing, MN middle-class origins.
One would have thought that would have taught him a lesson, but no.
For instance, concerning his Chronicles: Volume One book of 2004, Dylan biographer Clinton Heylin has shown skepticism concerning the factualness of the book: "Jesus Christ, as far as I can tell almost everything in the Oh Mercy section of Chronicles is a work of fiction. I enjoy Chronicles as a work of literature, but it has a[s] much basis in reality as Masked And Anonymous…”
When he released his song, “Murder Most Foul,” he issued this statement:
“Greetings to my fans and followers with gratitude for all your support and loyalty across the years. This is an unreleased song we recorded a while back that you might find interesting. Stay safe, stay observant and may God be with you. Bob Dylan, March 27, 2020”
But Fiona Apple, who played piano on the song, later confirmed that the song had in fact been recorded only one month previously, in February 2020.
In his January 6, 2023 weekly column on CounterPunch, Jeffrey St. Clair notes, "From his recent interview with the Wall Street Journal, it sounds like Dylan’s gone back to Jesus: 'I’m a religious person. I read the scriptures a lot, meditate and pray, light candles in church. I believe in damnation and salvation, as well as predestination. The Five Books of Moses, Pauline Epistles, Invocation of the Saints, all of it.'”
Maybe that’s true, but given that in so many interviews Bob adopts a putting-one-on tone, why should one believe that?
Especially when compared with this previous statement of his from the article:
In 1997, he told David Gates of Newsweek:
"Here's the thing with me and the religious thing. This is the flat-out truth: I find the religiosity and philosophy in the music. I don't find it anywhere else. Songs like "Let Me Rest on a Peaceful Mountain" or "I Saw the Light"—that's my religion. I don't adhere to rabbis, preachers, evangelists, all of that. I've learned more from the songs than I've learned from any of this kind of entity. The songs are my lexicon. I believe the songs." M.mk (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- What changes are you recommending for the article? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 15:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- If I think of how this awkward info on the guy can be unawkwardly "woven in," I'll do that and half expect some Dylan worshipper to take it down.
- Anyone else is welcome to do this.
- I wanted the record to show, at least on the talk tab, this bad habit of Dylan's. M.mk (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that anything Dylan has said is "illegal", he hasn't said these statements in a court, but I've seen it said many times that what he says about his life is often opaque or outright incorrect. Is there still something in the article about this? It seems to me there might have been at one time. If there isn't, it should probably be mentioned as adding difficulties for accurate biographies of him.Brianyoumans (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've added material noting that Chronicles borrows from many sources including Time magazine and the novels of Jack London. Also Heylin's comment in his 2023 biography that Chronicles isn't factually accurate. Mick gold (talk) 11:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that.
- "Thinking out loud":
- Perhaps a separate page listing out examples of Dylan in this regard.
- For instance, there is a separate page entitled, "Bob Dylan and the Band 1974 Tour."
- With a separate page, this ongoing character flaw of his comes into "focus" compared to examples appearing hither and thither in his page.
- I wonder if anyone who knew him, associates or other artists, ever commented on this.
- Keith Richards, for instance, can be pretty blunt in his criticisms of other artists.
- What I compiled above, however, might be seen as a mere stub page unless there are further examples.
- Plus, what title would such a page have?
- "Bob Dylan, Big Fat Liar," probably won't do. M.mk (talk) 18:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've added material noting that Chronicles borrows from many sources including Time magazine and the novels of Jack London. Also Heylin's comment in his 2023 biography that Chronicles isn't factually accurate. Mick gold (talk) 11:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that anything Dylan has said is "illegal", he hasn't said these statements in a court, but I've seen it said many times that what he says about his life is often opaque or outright incorrect. Is there still something in the article about this? It seems to me there might have been at one time. If there isn't, it should probably be mentioned as adding difficulties for accurate biographies of him.Brianyoumans (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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