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The too long tag has been there a year; it's 20,000 words readable prose size. With Winston Churchill, it's the highest profile article that is too long - WP:Article Size. There are different ways of trimming but it needs to be trimmed. Most or all of the main child/sub articles have been set-up already so it's simply a case of summarising them here, Tom B (talk) 09:07, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, not like it's the most influential figure of the 20th century... there is so much to say that one easily falls into omissions, superficiality and skewed impressions when trimming it. I don't want to sound too rigid - but I hope you understand what I mean. Shoshin000 (talk) 18:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think one area that can be shortended is the "Personality" section: these sections have fallen out of favour on Wikipedia and the one in this article is quite long. Perhaps this information can have less prose or be distributed to other sections of the article. There is also a lot of places in "Personal life and characteristics" that have too much detail. For example, a reader does not need to know that "He was born with a webbed left foot" or his work schedule in the third paragraph. Other sections have hatnotes that summarise the text in less than four paragraphs: these sections should also not have more than four paragraphs. I suggest that someone aggressively remove prose that is too much detail for the average reader to know. I would do it myself but my methods are sometimes reverted and I do not want to spend hours editing an article only to have the work undone. Z1720 (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shoshin000: If you are referring to the personality section, I would only spin it off into another article if there were independent, reliable, secondary sources that provided significant coverage of Stalin's personality. In other words, an entire academic journal article discussing his personality, not having the information mixed in with biographical information. The same with other information that might be spun out. Z1720 (talk) 21:17, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the Personality section is where the bulk of any shortening effort should be focused. I also think that the shortening that was recently done to the Early life section was excessive, and that much of it should be restored. After all, Stalin was 39 years old (!) by 1917, so a lot more than 200 words should be dedicated to those years in our main biographical article about him. — Goszei (talk) 00:14, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mouchkjhh: You've been edit warring with others for several days over Stalin's nicknames. Can you please invite the several others who have reverted your repeated changes to discuss this here?
Someone should look for relevant guidance in, e.g., Wikipedia:Manual of Style, regarding whether the nicknames should be in quotes.
In addition, do you have a reference that lists "The Man of Steel" as a nickname? If yes, that needs to be cited HERE as well as with any further introductions of that term into this article.
Well no. Changing them to ie. Russia, would be factually wrong as Russia did not exist at the time in a form that we know it as of today. A09|(talk)14:52, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How is it possible that there is a Stalin page that does not even mention the word "holodomor." This page is shamefully biased! The gaul of putting up a history of Stalin that does not categorically state that he was a genocidal mass-murderer is just pathetic. This is why no academic trusts or respects wikipedia. Shame on you! Jtodd57 (talk) 15:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you mean "Holodomor". It's mentioned in the 1932–1939 section. It is not discussed extensively because there are at least two other articles, linked in the hatnote, that cover it. Also please note that I am not French. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]